題:
從學徒到音樂理論大師的進階道路?
Kasahs
2015-02-17 17:53:42 UTC
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I am a computer science major and have been practicing music (as a hobby) for the past 4 years now. I started digging into the basics of Music Theory a year ago and now wish to advance my knowledge so as to better understand and analyze the works of maestros such as Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Handel etc. However to my disappointment the resources are sort of scattered everywhere and I could not figure out a proper progression path. I wish to make this thread into sort of a map that shows how to reach an expert level of understanding from little or no understanding.To clarify, I am not looking for a shortcut or easy way out, I am looking for a path that enables a thorough understanding of the subject and am willing to put in the time, effort and practice it requires.

The kinds of answers I would enjoy would be somewhat like:

  1. Read this this and this.
  2. practice till you achieve this.
  3. then read about this this and this.
  4. then tackle these compositions and analyze them
  5. then move on to this.
  6. (you get my point)

I really care about knowing your opinion on what exactly one should pay attention to, at various stages, in order to progress CONSTANTLY (with due efforts, of course). If you come from a specific field of expertise, discuss the path you see as appropriate in this field.(please try to be as instrument agnostic as possible)

通過Kostka查找*“音調和聲”。通讀一下,您將非常熟練
以完全相同的感覺到達了該線程。您的旅途如何?這對您有幫助嗎?
六 答案:
Casey Rule
2015-02-17 20:47:32 UTC
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I actually studied music composition and computer science myself. Great combo!

It sounds like what you are really looking for is a formal music composition program, so, first of all, I would say that if this is something that really interests you, and you have the time and the means, you should look into trying to study music through your school, either by taking some harmony classes, taking on a music minor, or even considering a double major.

If this isn't really a possibility for you, or if this just isn't the direction you want to go, you can certainly do some studying on your own. The Walter Piston Harmony textbook is a standard of the field, and I'm sure you could get a fairly inexpensive used copy online. You can also probably find it in your university library. This book would give you a great foundation in theory.

If you get through that book and are hungry for more, you'll want to look into Counterpoint. Piston also has a Counterpoint book, although it's less standard than his Harmony book. You may want to check and see what textbooks the program at your school uses and go with those.

If you get through Harmony and Counterpoint, you will have a very strong foundation for any musical studies you want to pursue, and you'll have a much better understanding of the works of the "masters". There are a number of different ways you can go from here, but my suggestion, if you are still studying on your own, is to just find music that you love and sit down and listen to it while look at a score. The best way to practice analysis is to try to better understand some of the music you already love.

Hope this gives you a little direction. Best of luck!

Edit: "hungry for more" not "hungry for me"...

Pat Muchmore
2015-02-17 21:04:12 UTC
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It isn't entirely clear from your question whether you're fluent in reading Western music notation and if you're conversant in the (relatively) standardized vocabulary for Western harmony and melody. If not, a first place to begin investigation might be Joseph Straus's Elements of Music. It begins with how to read notes, then moves on to keys, scales, meter, rhythm, triads and seventh chords. Although it's written for beginners in music theory, it's aimed at college students and doesn't feel like it's talking down to you.

If you already have that background—or if you finish that—I think the best way to truly start to understand the music of the composers you mentioned is to study the rudiments of counterpoint in much the same way that they did: species counterpoint. You could go more or less straight to the source with Fux's Gradus ad Parnassum, but these days I think the gold standard in such study is the Salzer/Schachter textbook Counterpoint in Composition. Instead of the modal universe of Fux, the text is mostly centered on the major/minor tonality of the common-practice era. The second half of the text moves on from species counterpoint into a study of how these principles manifest in the more elaborate world of common-practice composition. Admittedly, it can be difficult to progress through species counterpoint without a teacher to judge your own work, but if you are thorough and pay careful attention it can still be eminently worthwhile.

If you're looking for a thoroughly academic grounding, I would recommend diving into the Aldwell/Schachter textbook Harmony and Voice Leading next. It's well-loved by most of my theory teacher colleagues, although it's often considered to be a bit too dense for early-level college students. Textbooks like Kostka/Payne's Tonal Harmony and the relatively recent Clendinning/Marvin Theory and Analysis are a tad more approachable and will give you a thorough grounding in the subject as well.

After that, I think the best path is serious score study. Get scores of your favorite pieces and follow along with quality recordings. Do some harmonic analysis of passages you particularly like. Some (relatively) straightforward scores to start with are the Prelude in C Major from the first book of Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier and the second movement of Beethoven's Grande Sonata Pathetique. If you get interested in the possibilities of post-tonal theory, you might check out Joseph Straus's Post-Tonal Theory textbook.

Good luck! Let me know if you'd like any clarification or further recommendations.

好吧,隨著對位與和諧的發展,分數學習將越來越成為學習的一部分。我所討論的文本絕對充滿了文獻中的分數示例,但是它們經過精心策劃,因此您可以減少開放式問題。我想說,從一開始就應該盡力在樂譜中聽音樂,這是您學習的一部分,但是您可能不具備在沒有策展的情況下進行廣泛,開放式樂譜學習的知識。已經了解了更多基礎知識。
不幸的是,我也不知道如何合併答案。但是,除非有人刪除所有答案,否則此頁面上的所有答案都應保持可見。投票所有您認為有幫助的人!
user18957
2015-02-17 21:40:40 UTC
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上師的特徵是個人獲取探索知識並與其他人無法匹敵的渴望相結合。

這有點像詢問您應該觀看的過去和將來的遊戲清單以及項目符號點,以便成為一支特定的足球隊的狂熱狂人。

現在,即使您問一個特別狂暴的狂熱者,他可能也會無所適從。

我不認為您的問題所暗示的程度沒有國王之路。

+1-成為_Guru_不僅需要遵循一組特定的說明。這需要天生的才能,以及強烈的探索和開發才能。例如,貝多芬接受了大量的正規培訓,但是他的老師們都在評論中說:_規則對貝多芬沒有任何意義。
user16935
2015-02-18 00:18:27 UTC
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OK, would you like an autodidact's viewpoint? I started teaching myself composition over 40 years ago. For becoming adept in music theory, @user18957 is entirely correct: there isn't a king's road. Even growing up on King's Road didn't help. (Joke, but that really was the name of the street on which we lived.)

There isn't going to be a systematic way of going about it. You need to be driven by a burning curiosity - when you research in one area, you'll necessarily follow up on matters that pique your interest that you run across while doing so... any matters. You aren't going to stop with Piston's Harmony; you will lay hands on historical books like Rameau's Traité de l'harmonie and exploratory ones like Schoenberg's Harmonielehre. You may pick up things like Hindemith's Unterweisung im Tonsatz and George Perle's Twelve-tone Tonality. You may well pick up books on atonality and/or the twelve-tone method by René Liebowitz and George Perle. You may pick up Messiaen's Technique de mon langage musical.

You won't just stop at Piston's Counterpoint: you'll get Fux's book and any others that catch your fancy. You might pick up Gedalge on fugue. You will pick up a score of the 48.

You will probably pick up collected essays by people like Schoenberg (Style and Idea), Roger Sessions and Béla Bartók. You might pick up Charles Ives' Essays Before a Sonata and Ferruccio Busoni's Sketch of a New Aesthetic of Music. You will pick up books that analyse the works of a period or of a composer, books like Jarman or Perle's books on Alban Berg, like Charles Rosen's books on the classical style and the romantic period, and so forth. I have a book in my library analysing Arnold Schoenberg's music before Verklärte Nacht - the contents of your library will necessarily differ according to your tastes and interests, but you should have room for books that are equally specific.

And you will collect scores and read them. You will, in fact, have scores coming out the wazoo. (IMSLP, IMSLP, IMSLP! You are so lucky to have resources like this available. I had to buy all my scores as a young man, and they weren't cheap.)

Now, I have or have had all of the books I have mentioned in my library, and I've barely scratched the surface. Your library will necessarily differ as you follow your nose. The point, though, is that you must follow your nose. You cannot become a "guru" without arriving at a deep understanding and viewpoint that is entirely your own, and you can't achieve something that is entirely your own without following your own interests where they take you, revising your views as you go. The process never stops.

And you know something? In another 30 or so years, you will know less with certainty than you do now, you will have more questions without answers, and that's how you will know that you are finally starting to understand music.

Felice Pollano
2015-02-17 19:54:07 UTC
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不是音樂家,而是像您一樣來自計算機科學領域並從事過DAW的人。我認為您肯定會發現這本書很有用: http://www.amazon.com/Harmony-Fifth -Edition-Walter-Piston / dp / 0393954803

r lo
2015-02-17 23:23:13 UTC
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如果您想成為專家或專家,請將您的專業從計算機科學改為音樂。人們為什麼認為音樂理論是您可以在沒有其他任何學科的投入的情況下實現的?您提到了所有這些偉大的作曲家以及如何對其進行分析。在學校換專業。這個問題與其他人一樣,他們再次認為自己可以找到與在大學學習4至6年的人不同的途徑。您確實通過使用“大師”作品帶給自己了。

如果您想了解更多信息,請查閱Coursera,他們在那裡有Berklee課程。 https://www.coursera.org/



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