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如何擺脫歌曲創作的束縛,創作出新鮮而變化的東西?
Rockin Cowboy
2015-02-25 00:26:39 UTC
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I have been writing melodies for my original lyrics since 2008 and have written quite a few songs in that time. But the more songs I write, the more difficult it becomes to write melodies that don't sound like one of my other songs.

Sometimes I don't even realize I copied my own melody until a friend says - "I like the lyrics but the melody sounds a lot like your song .....". Then I go back and listen to the older song and I see that they were correct.

My issue is that I write on guitar and seem to be stuck with the tired old - tried and true, popular chord progressions (ie. I, V, IV - or some variation) and the melodies seem to manifest withing predictable parameters within those "standard" progressions.

I have thought about trying to write in alternate tunings on guitar or writing on piano instead of guitar.

What are some effective devices I might use to get myself to "think outside the box" so to speak and become more diverse with my compositions? I could conceivably use several at once so any and all ideas are welcome.

I am sure many songwriters and composers might appreciate some ideas about how to approach their composing from a different angle that might inspire some unique new music.

您通常會先寫歌詞還是旋律?
“強迫”創造力?
@manejar好點。這不是我的意思,但是感謝您指出我的單詞選擇不當。您願意指出措辭中的這一缺陷,促使我編輯了這個問題。我認為您會同意現在更好。更好地反映了我的實際意思。再次感謝。
@Basstickler我通常從概念和一些思路開始-通常是抒情的鉤子。當我開始寫詩和合唱時,旋律在我寫作時就傳給我,因此我通常同時寫這兩個曲子。有幾次我偶然發現和弦進程提示某些歌詞。因此,我的一些歌曲是從旋律開始的(或者至少是定義旋律參數的和弦進行)。
將自己沉浸在自己喜歡但不熟悉的類型中。異國情調的東西。
我喜歡答案都歸結為“停止,合作和傾聽”。畢竟,香草冰還是不錯的。
聽起來也像我。另一方面,我的老公在通過隨機演奏音符來避免重複方面取得了一定的成功,儘管在他演奏五聲調時並不是完全可以避免相似性(即只有5個音符,重複的可能性更大)。
@mey這裡的答案有些很棒的內容。值得一讀。您的Hubby不需要-尚未被規則污染。讓他在不知道自己“應該”做什麼的情況下繼續表達自己的創造力。他是我試圖回答博伊先生有關新歌曲作者是否應該遵守規則的一個很好的例子。
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您幾乎可以肯定@RockinCowboy。 ly可悲的是他太老了,無法申請獎學金☺
您的個人資料:“作為演奏家和作曲家,我的主要目標是創作出您沒想到但喜歡的東西,不得不一遍又一遍地聆聽,因為這是您之前從未聽說過的東西。”您在寫類似的東西時會陷入陷阱,但是另一方面,這也是聽眾被您的音樂所吸引的原因。打開門,走出去寫新音樂。從維瓦爾第(Vivaldi)到今天的詞曲作家,大多數作曲家都遇到了同樣的問題。我經常問自己:“現代說話”如何為他們的歌曲找到另一個標題?
對於維瓦爾第來說,要容易得多:他們給他的作曲只是一個新的數字...
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ruoho ruotsi
2015-02-25 02:24:46 UTC
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Listen, listen, listen to lots of new kinds of music. Regularly. Not just your style or your favorites. Don't just listen. Marinate. Challenge yourself. It'll be tough initially, and it may not hold your attention, but the exercise does pay off. You'll start to hear things "out of the box" that you didn't before and you'll have fresher perspectives on your compositions.

Practically, this might mean:

  1. Trying out a new "stations" on your Pandora/Spotify/Rdio, pick a genre and go deep
  2. Tuning into your college radio station
  3. Asking one of your friends with different musical leanings to share.
  4. Take a free online course @ Berklee
再加上一個可以收聽新型音樂。我認為我們所有人都在很大程度上受到聆聽的影響。如果我繼續聽同一種音樂,我的寫作將保持不變。但是似乎有可能,如果我有意聽一些我可能不會喜歡的東西,我可能會開始聽到一些可以應用於我的音樂的新想法。 YouTube也是尋找新音樂的好來源。
不僅僅是聆聽,播放此類音樂也可能會有所幫助。
@CodesInChaoas嘿,這就是為什麼我們所有人都參加派對樂隊並且必須學習該死的Macarena,對嗎? :)
Basstickler
2015-02-26 05:07:10 UTC
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TLDR; Listen to new music, play in new keys, try to emulate other styles/genres, choose new chord progressions and approach your writing from a different perspective, ie, which instrument you write on, both for accompaniment and melody.


What you are experiencing is entirely normal. As humans we have managed to survive and evolve due to our recognition of patterns and creating habits that will ensure our safety and health. Our brain is basically wired to recognize and work with patterns. Part of the way we learn to play music is through pattern recognition. You seem to understand this to some extent or another but I find it important to mention that it is not only normal but natural. Now onto breaking habits/finding new ways to creatively express your musical self!

One way patterns are formed is through the music we listen to. Every genre has certain characteristics that define it. So when we listen to one genre more than others, those characteristics tend to find a home in our musical minds. The tendencies of different genres can be those of melodic choice, harmonic choice, rhythmic choice, etc. One way to pull yourself out of relatively repetitive composition choices is to expose yourself to new music. Most people don't really listen to just one genre but often have one or two that are the most prevalent in their library. The idea would be to listen to those genres less (for a time) and to listen to some new music for you, allowing you to focus your ears on different characteristics and tendencies. I've always enjoyed Jazz but Smooth Jazz always seemed so cheesy to me that I never appreciated it. I started listening to the Smooth Jazz station in my area and started to enjoy a lot of it (and not just because of the slap bass and lead bass). A while later, I listened back on a track that I had been writing and realized that the melody was much different than my usual style and that it was rather reminiscent of Smooth Jazz. I wasn't trying to write a song within that genre but my extended exposure allowed it to seep into my brain and influence my melodic choices.

When listening to the different music, try to focus on all the aspects of what makes that genre work. How do the drums and bass work with the melody? How do the harmonies support that melody. A great exercise is to try to rebuild a song or imitate it. You can even do this from a pseudo-parody standpoint. Imitate the music that you don't really enjoy and try to make fun of it. You won't be able to put together a good parody of a genre if you don't fully understand its structure, which very much includes the melody. A lot of Frank Zappa's music was parody based. He was pretty much making fun of all the DooWop/RnB of his time and actually ended up writing better (IMO) songs than most of what the artists he was making fun of were. He did an entire album making fun of Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band.

Lots of modern music tends to focus less on melody. A lot of Rock music will kind of hover on one note and use different pitches more to express what the lyrics are saying. Essentially this music would not be considered melodic in nature. Classical and Jazz tend to put most of the focus on a melody and everything else just supports that melody. So listening to melodically driven music will help a lot.

Chord progressions are another thing that tend to be fairly standardized within genres and that leads to my next point. The chords that are chosen will often lead someone in a melodic direction because of genre tendencies. If you play a blues progression a lot, you're probably going to write a bluesy melody. So one way to break compositional tendencies within yourself is to try new chord progressions. Certain chord progressions, specifically non-diatonic progressions, basically demand notes that would not usually occur, or provide the landscape for different notes to fit. I would try messing around with some Modal Mixture/Borrowing to start. If that is something you already do, try to make it more drastic, such as every other chord being borrowed. This may not yield your favorite music but it will likely force you to sing/play different melodic notes, opening up your vocabulary. You can also try modulations but place them differently than you may otherwise, such as a mid-verse modulation, so that half of a verse is in one key and the other half is in another. That could potentially make a repeat melody sound less like the other song.

The types of chords you use will also impact this. If you use strictly triads, then your consonant notes are a bit different than if you are using Maj/Min 7 chords and the landscape changes even more if you are adding extensions and alterations to your chords, where nearly any of the chord tones and extensions can have a consonant feel to them.

Similarly, chord voicings can impact which notes sound/feel more consonant. By varying the types of chords you use and the voicings of any chords that you choose, you will be pulling the music in another direction, opening up new melodic choices. One thing that is very commonly considered on piano/keyboard that seems to be less of a consideration on guitar is that the top note of your chord voicings tend to poke out as a melody and many try to write their keyboard parts to have the top note follow the melody or sit below it. This can be applied to any chordal instrument, so simply changing your voicings may bring new melodies in itself.

Approaching your music from another angle is always helpful as well, like you mention in the question. Starting with a fully written chord progression, one that is written without considering what the melody will be, may help your process. You mention using another instrument to write with and that will likely be helpful because the usual tendencies you may have on a guitar would not directly translate to a keyboard. But one important thing to try is writing the melody itself on the instrument. Our voices tend to be best at executing familiar patterns, as our voice is something we use all the time; it is innate to us. It tends to be rather difficult to sing brand new ideas, such as certain notes that are less consonant or certain melodic passages, so we end up not singing them. By writing a melody on your guitar, you can access the consistency of an instrument you understand well but not fall into the vocal tendencies. Different instruments will give you different rhythmic patterns and melodic patterns.

You can also try a relatively random approach. Randomly pick a handful of notes and find a way to create a melody out of them, even if they seem to have no harmonic relationship or tonal center. This is more of an exercise to expand your palette, so you might not get ideas that you want to turn into a song, but you never know.

Your choice of key is also very important in this conversation. As I mentioned before, the voice has tendencies and places of comfort that can be somewhat hard to break. Lots of songwriters end up writing most of their tunes in just a handful of keys, often dictated by the instrument they write on. Guitars tend to write in "sharp" keys (keys with sharps in the key signature), such as E, A, G, D. Guitarists tend not to write in Eb very much because it is harder on that instrument and you can't get that satisfying low tonic. So our voices tend to sing best or feel best in certain ranges and some people may choose to write in certain keys for how they fit into their vocal range. By writing in new keys, you will either need to stretch your voice to have your melodic concepts be able to take flight within that key, or you need take a different approach. Basically if you are in a different key and you want to sing in your comfortable range, you will be forced to make different melodic choices, such as which chord tones you tend to choose, how you move between notes, etc.

You can also try picking different notes as your "climax". People tend to hit certain notes very strongly and use those to create the climax of the piece. By choosing a different note than usual, you will change the character of your climax.

And I have now written another wall of text answer... The important thing to remember here is that you have tendencies in your writing for a reason, be it the brain's natural response, or the music that you choose to listen to. Changing how you write and what you listen to will definitely change what you write. You can try any number of things but you should be able to find ways to force yourself into a new direction when you find yourself stuck in certain patterns by either exposing yourself to different influences, or by forcing yourself to write a melody with different notes than usual. Don't stick yourself in a spot where every song you write has to be perfect and something you want to perform; give yourself some exercises and practice your writing, just like you would practice your playing.

哇!希望所有遇到此問題的歌曲作者或作曲家都願意花時間閱讀您的論文。很長但是值得一讀!您介紹了一些新想法-例如“中-逆調製”,並擴展了已經介紹的一些想法,以更好地解釋其背後的原因。您在很多事情上都做得很好。我嘗試了不同的按鍵-但從未真正理解為什麼這似乎會影響旋律。語音趨勢將在熟悉的按鍵中進入舒適區域-移至通常不使用的按鍵-語音被迫離開舒適區域!做得好。
我在Facebook時間軸上共享了此答案的鏈接。好東西!
如果人們花時間閱讀,您應該獲得更多的讚成票。更多的讚成票意味著更多的閱讀甚至更多的投票。將它們與TL; DR掛鉤的好主意。
很高興對您有好處。我剛開始寫書,直到結束時才意識到有多長時間。不知道我是否對這一點給予足夠的重視,但是如果您有實踐的方法,它可以對您的寫作有很大幫助。大多數人只是試圖一直寫出最好的歌曲。通過設置某些參數而不附加到歌曲,您可以真正擺脫舒適區。因此,您基本上選擇了需要改進的地方,並提出了可行的遊戲計劃,然後根據這些準則編寫了一些東西。
你必須在我的家庭工作室裡有一個間諜攝像機。是的,每當我開始投入精力創作一首歌時,我都在努力使其成為我寫過的最好的歌曲(否則-為什麼要打擾)。但是也許要成為一個更好的詞曲作者,我偶爾需要“練習”,就像我在吉他上一樣。如果我彈吉他時所彈奏的所有歌曲都是我已經學過的相同歌曲-我將永遠不會變得更好。當我從事專門的(通常是無聊的)“練習”時,我的吉他技巧會提高。也許相同的概念適用於作曲。您確實在回答中說了這一點-與其他所有寶石一樣有價值。
絕對。當我上大學的作文課時,我的老師,已故的偉大的約瑟夫·帕卡萊斯(Joseph Packales)指出了這一點。我進行的一項練習是將一整塊作品放在一起,時間不到一分鐘,這使我不得不在短時間內取出整件作品,使之更加簡潔,並且不允許將時間花在不太重要的事情上。練習曲調和歌曲創作而不必成為完美的歌曲,可以讓您嘗試原本可以避免的事情,在它們上做得更好,然後利用您的新工具創作歌曲,這是您可以創作的最佳歌曲。
@RockinCowboy-再次在此答案上發生。這讓我感到好奇,您是否覺得自己能夠寫新的東西?
Some Dude On The Interwebs
2015-02-25 00:50:48 UTC
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You know what used to work for me?Take the chords off a popular song and write to those.

Or take the rhythm of a melody and see how it works with other chords - maybe in another mode.

You know the Mickey Mouse March?

Dam-dadam, dam-dadam, dam-dadam-dadam?

Nice, now find an interesting sequence of chords.

In minor, even.

Now try to come up (in your head, keep your hands in your pockets please) with a melody that has the same rhythm of the Mickey Mouse melody and lays nicely atop of those chords (as in: new notes, same rhythm).

Et voila', you basically got yourself instant Laibach :P

Or you know, write a counterpoint to a melody. Or an inversion (you ever heard the Corelli variations by Rachmaninov? The most famous variation is an inversion and it's of a completely different character).

EDIT: Oh, and if you are more of a lyrics guy, try this: write some really really sad lyrics using an upbeat, major mode song as a ghost melody, so that they fit the melody.

If you are into death metal "dig - my grave! dig - my grave! kill me 'n dig my grave!" fits the Mickey Mouse March perfectly.

Good, now try the above methods to put new chords and a new melody under that.

Satisfaction guaranteed.

您剛剛度過了美好的一天,但實際上離我的創作方式不遠。
感謝您的想法。您知道可以編輯答案並添加其他想法以供後代使用。順便說一句-我寫《鄉村》,《軟搖滾》,《民謠》或《流行》。
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停止相信一定是與生俱來的方式(《旅途的別停止相信》,未成年)。
再加上一個嘗試在不同模式下使用我在Phrygian創作了兩首新歌,在dorian中創作了一首。
user16935
2015-02-25 02:07:15 UTC
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讓我想起了科幻小說家路易斯·麥克馬斯特·布約爾德(Lois McMaster Bujold)如何使她的著作不斷發展:“如今,主人公最糟糕的事情是什麼?”

您當然不想寫最糟糕的東西,但是您確實想要這樣的東西:a)給您一個掛鉤,b)保持歌曲跳動,這意味著一種非常相似的工作方式。副作用是您的歌曲將失去相同性。

通過這種方式,我的意思是,抓住您的旋律,並找出在每個點上產生最大張力的地方。意外的高音,也許?掉落的節拍?儘早開始下一個短語,或者延遲它超出預期範圍?出乎意料的不和諧解決方案,或者延遲解決方案?也許一個不和諧的音符比預期更長的停留時間。歌詞的韻律通常會建議最有效的方法。

一旦有了歌詞,您的伴奏自然就必須反映出這些緊張的根源。有時候,甚至可能會根據想法的產生來激發它們。

通常,您使用的方法是停止,並對自己說:“這很明顯……相反,可能是這個註釋嗎?不...這個嗎?啊哈!

您會發現自己有相當數量的“啊哈!”時刻。

現在,這確實是一個手工藝問題,但是在某種程度上,手工藝與靈感是無法區分的。如果您尋找可以增強歌曲張力的區域,那麼這些區域將因歌曲的不同而有所差異,因為在其他類似的曲調中,適合併增強一首歌曲中的歌詞的內容很可能與“不同步”。對方的歌詞。

謝謝。您是否認為此反複試驗過程應該對旋律最初想到的內容進行調整?換句話說,在我擁有了適合歌詞的韻律和情緒的東西之後,開始修改一些音符,看看我是否可以創造出意想不到的東西-但這仍然對這首歌有用嗎?
確實,沒有固定的方法。我現在傾向於自動執行此操作,但是我也回過頭來進行了調整。我傾向於在我的最初想法中至少添加一個小的不規則之處(在您的情況下,大致相當於歌曲的第一行,甚至是簡介),因為這些最初的不規則之處會產生影響,並建議以下材料應如何工作。
這並不是說我完全不同意Interweb上的@Some Dude,儘管我的很多作品都使用了舊的合唱曲目,但它們是起點。如果您不尋找可以在褲子上踢一腳的地方,甚至可以重新安排好音調。
實際上,@Patrx2我為Bujold的報價(我認為是Ray Carver的報價,但無論如何)和“技巧~~靈感”給了你+1。感謝您的答复!
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fluffy
2015-02-25 10:15:43 UTC
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Use a random number generator to come up with new chord progressions.

If you play guitar, put your fingers at random spots on the fretboard and see what happens.

If you play piano, put your fingers on random keys and see what happens.

Listen to your favorite song backwards.

Listen to your least favorite song backwards.

Write out the sheet music for one of your songs and turn it 180 degrees, or flip it over vertically.

Give yourself a constraint. Write a song using an unfamiliar piece of software or an instrument you don't know how to play. Write a chiptune. Limit yourself to only black keys. Limit yourself to only white keys but your song has to be in a key other than C or A minor. Or it has to be in a bizarre time signature like 11/16 (except every seventh measure is in 3/4).

Take a walk in the forest and listen to the nothing.

您是否真的只是想說-嘗試一些奇怪的,怪異的或非正統的事情(可以添加“擲骰子,將數字用於下一個和弦並擲硬幣-頭是主要的,尾巴是次要的”)?我可能必須嘗試向後播放我最不喜歡的歌曲-但是我該怎麼做?我想我明白你的意思。
隨機數發生器(又名“擲骰子”)絕對很有趣。已投票!
@RockinCowboy您已經掌握了要點。至於如何向後播放歌曲,請將其加載到您選擇的音頻編輯器中並反轉聲音。 :)
我必須嘗試一下。從來不知道我會倒退播放歌曲。可以在Audacity中使用嗎?
當然。在“效果”菜單中查看。
我的丈夫特別遵循了“隨機播放”的建議,效果很好。
這正是大多數人應該期待的好答案!
我不得不說,這是一個非常有趣的想法。我曾經使用隨機音高創建耳朵訓練演習。您可以通過在隨機模式中調整一些音符來產生出色的旋律。隨機模式經常使我期待一些真正美麗的旋律,我會提供一種我喜歡的分辨率,它受隨機模式的啟發。
piofusco
2015-02-25 12:58:50 UTC
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I am surprised this hasn't been a response yet... STOP

Put your instrument down and take a break. Go for a walk and collect yourself. How a musician spends his time away from his instrument is equally as important as how he does with it in front of him.

Sometimes you can listen to too much music. A couple days without playing or listening to music can be good for your head. Doing is regularly can revitalize your creativity and give you that jolt you knew you had inside of you all along.

Playing music should be alchemy - finding the proper mixture that can turn copper into gold takes ages to get right.

capybaralet
2015-02-25 02:29:17 UTC
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  1. By restricting yourself.
  2. Taking inspiration from new sources.

For instance,

  1. You can try to write a song that has a particular structure.
  2. You can try writing in a style that is new for you.

If you have a fledgling song idea that needs to be fleshed out, you can try to emulate a specific artist or use specific genre conventions. You can do this for the same seed and different artists, and see what works.

有趣的一點。您能告訴我們限制自己會導致更多旋律,因為有些人可能會覺得它與直覺相反?
一定沒有更多變化的旋律。但是更多的創造力。限制自己會給你一個人造的寫作夥伴:限制。我的意思是,您就像其他人一樣會給您一些反饋。這也將導致您更加努力地表達事物。您不能依靠典型的後備技巧和工具。例如,如果您通常先開始聽音樂,然後開始電聽音樂,那麼限制自己聽音樂就意味著您需要找到一種創造性的方法來創作一首歌。
我不同意。把自己放在籠子裡只會使你瞎眼。與音樂有很多關係,為什麼要限制自己呢?
manejar
2015-02-25 05:19:07 UTC
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每當腦海中彈出一個純淨的(希望是原始的)旋律時,我都會迅速記錄下來(無論多麼草率),只是為了把它調下來。我保留了這些旋律的“庫”,在編寫時,我會引用它們並使用似乎與這首歌搭配的旋律。

通常(當在吉他上作曲時),我會拿住我正在使用的任何音階/琴鍵,並在其中至少記錄我的即興演奏至少五分鐘。通常,我將能夠從那五分鐘的錄音中挑選出一些東西來用作至少一個好的旋律的想法。

其他想法包括更改琴鍵,添加隨機的銳利/平坦或更改節奏/節奏。吉他用途廣泛(尤其是電吉他),因此您還可以嘗試許多“技巧”來改變自己的旋律,例如敲擊,錘擊,和聲,打擊樂器等等,並且清單可能還會繼續。

我使用了一個關於和弦進行的想法。通常,我的和弦最終會變成相當標準的和弦:大,小,大七度,等等。一旦我形成了這個主意,我可以將其中的一個或兩個更改為一個小七度或小一些。或第六名。

玩所有遊戲。最終會有什麼事情發生。總體而言,不要“強迫”創造力;讓它流動!

Voxwoman
2015-02-26 03:06:59 UTC
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  • Find a collaborator. Even if it's just temporary. They will have a different perspective.
  • Work in a different genre.
  • Listen to really different music from what you're used to (such asmusic from the Middle East, folk music from Bulgaria or Finland,Indian music - stuff that doesn't use the 12-tone scale or 4/4 rythms)
Costagero
2015-02-25 05:32:56 UTC
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Analyze what you do.

Write it down. What tempos are you used to? What rhythmic patterns do you use the most?Do you tend to repeat the same intervals?

Take those melodies that made you feel repetitive. Why are they similar?

You will find out exactly what your clichés are. They probably come from your influences. These similar lines come out of you musical mind naturally as you improvise melodies. You obey that musical instincts as a set of rules. This is key.

What you can do:

  1. Once you find out your rules, break them. Do you use a lot of ascending 3rds? Try a descending 6th for a change. Do you use a short-short-long rhythmic pattern too much? Try long-long-short-long-short.
  2. Don't just improvise. Write your material. Think of the melody as an entity not entirely dependent of your musical vocabulary.
  3. Music can always use some math. Particularly when you sing, you can make great use of simple scales and arpeggio study to achieve distinct vocal melodies. That's because singing in small intervals and few notes is so common. Internalize those scales by practicing. With that and some ear training, you will, eventually, internalize more interesting interval, with bigger leaps and a sense of harmony.

Just remember to let your ears be the judge.

r lo
2015-02-26 05:44:36 UTC
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You mentioned you are tired of the same old chord progressions in your post. Those chord progressions are tools to create direction, so that's why they are used so much. If you want to write pop, country, etc that will relate to everyday listeners, listen to how these chord progressions work in other songs. The key is the melody and lyrics. I believe you will not get away from the common progressions unless you are going for some other style. That is a lot to discover in the same old chords and it could be a hook that is really catchy. Now this is my assumption if you are writing commercial music.

Writing on a different instrument like you mentioned has helped me a lot. I got really good ideas and hooks, but they still follow a I IV V or many other common progressions. It is fun for me to try to put something different over the common progressions then what sounds cliche. Melodies are limitless but you are limited in chord progressions in my opinion.

和弦進行相同的問題是和弦暗示了旋律。只有少數旋律音符可以和某些和弦聽起來。如果您唱生日快樂,但在錯誤的時間演奏了錯誤的和弦或在錯誤的琴鍵中演奏了和弦,這聽起來是錯誤的。因此,相同的和弦進行方式會導致相同的旋律。在其他一些答案中,有一些關於調和弦的好主意。您可能需要閱讀它們,以獲得有關自己的音樂的想法。
使用此鏈接,查看富有創造力的人在進度方面的表現。那裡只有如此多的曲調和各種旋律。 http://www.hooktheory.com/theorytab/common-chord-progressions
還有多少首使用標準和弦進行的歌曲?生日快樂使用與布魯斯相同的和弦I IV V,聽起來是否相似?聽起來您必須自己做更多的研究才能被說服。
感謝您的鏈接。我將嘗試更開放地接受這樣的想法:我可以在我一直使用的相同和弦進行中編寫新的新旋律。猜猜有很多不同的方法可以解決問題。
@rlo:並非所有的超級點擊嚴格都是I–V–vi–IV:http://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/b/britney_spears/toxic_ver4_crd_1089009id_01092011date.htm
(並不是說在I–V–vi–IV中沒有好歌待寫)
Dave Engineer
2017-01-20 18:21:33 UTC
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  • 樂器和歌詞的節奏與旋律同等重要,嘗試不尋常的模式
  • 更經常地收聽不太熟悉的音樂/流派/時機
  • 您不能安排創造力,讓它在自己的時間發揮作用
  • 限制自己(例如,沒有標準的大和弦/小和弦/鬆散的2弦)
  • 嘗試不同的裝備/效果/樂器
  • 不要為聽眾寫音樂,不要為自己寫音樂,要與眾不同
Rob Button
2015-02-25 04:43:01 UTC
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  1. try avoiding using the tonic (if you're writing a melody in the key of G, stay off of the note G as much as possible
  2. try using non-standard chord shapes/inversions (if you're instrument is a
    guitar, capo higher than normal - 6th or 9th fret)
  3. avoid standard chord progressions (I-IV-V, I-iii-IV-V, etc...)
  4. get lots of rest
  5. stay up until you're exhausted
  6. read something that fascinates you
  7. go to a museum or gallery
  8. exercise
  9. cook
  10. volunteer
  11. journal
  12. do a puzzle/sodoku
  13. play a board game or an RPG
  14. listen to music you've never heard before
  15. turn off your "No" voice

good luck!

老實說-我必須對諸如“烹飪”之類的建議持懷疑態度。擁有健康的生活方式和多樣的興趣對於任何智力活動無疑都是至關重要的,但您也可能會說“吃胡蘿蔔”。
稍作解釋,此答案將得到很好的改善。沒有這些,就沒有真正的理由相信這些建議具有任何真正的價值,因為其中很多與音樂本身無關。
無處不在的創造力無處不在。
有趣。有時,來自非音樂領域的靈感可能會有所幫助。
Rob我不同意。為什麼要避免在鍵的根是改變事物的可能方式時避免使用。為什麼不從根開始,而不是等待整個小節切換到另一個和弦,為什麼不在四分之一以後或四分之一點之後呢?我smetimes從第一個小節之前的根開始,然後將其保持第四位,然後再打其他奇怪的和弦。我可以播放A#,然後按F#並發出聲音!
gitsitgo
2015-02-26 03:49:29 UTC
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I encountered a similar situation as you. It's hard to "think outside the box" when you are "in the box" trying to compose music at that very specific moment. What I mean is that the best music ideas/tunes come when you are not trying to force yourself to come up with a composition idea. They key thing is here is that you need to have the ability to quickly jot down your idea (and save it). So when time comes to actually compose your music, you can immediately go back to the tune and not be stuck in a rut. An analogy would be like a car designer, who doesn't just immediately come up with a good final design in one session, but draws various sketches to see what's good and what's not. I think perhaps you can take a similar approach.

Another way of going outside your box is by drawing inspirations/ideas elsewhere, even if these come from other musical sources. Franzt Liszt (a virtuoso Romantic period composer) drew inspirations for his Hungarian Rhapsodies series from Hungarian Folk Themes. Beethoven created his 6th Symphony from inspirations during his hikes in countryside of Vienna. These are older examples, but I think you will get my point.

Lastly, I agree very much with @piofusco's answer, in that sometimes you just gotta stop, take a break, and take it easy doing other things, which might lead to my previous point about getting inspirations.

SovereignSun
2017-01-20 13:30:34 UTC
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第一件事,您需要了解的是,作曲是一件非常困難的事,而按常規使用的和弦進行柔和的曲調對作曲家來說是沒有好處的。 第二件事永遠不要只用一兩種工具,一次簽名和兩個三個關鍵簽名來構架自己,更廣泛地思考,努力工作!還有第三-任何作曲家都是發明家。我建議每個作曲家唱歌,哼哼,說旋律,做很多實驗。

我的作法:

有時候我對什麼有所了解我想玩或唱歌。有時我不知道,只是唱歌或玩。我在樂器上或在腦海中或通過唱歌創作各種旋律。我經常不喜歡4/4時間簽名。我經常嘗試做出一些非常奇怪的旋律,首先是短舔,然後是三連音,然後是點綴不合時宜的簽名音符,也常常是不合時宜的關鍵音符,有時我的音符長度只有3-5小節。我喜歡使用所有可能的方式。假設我們的節奏為120,大多數人的第4小節很長。為什麼不加另一小節或減去一甚至兩行歌詞,然後有2/4或5/4小節,然後開始另一行或合唱。我經常做一些奇怪的事情,使我每次都能創作不同的歌曲。我只是做實驗。有人做過這樣的事情嗎?它有多美好?為什麼不嘗試呢?

我嘗試用人聲,貝斯,鼓,吉他,鍵盤,效果,薩克斯,小提琴,長笛-我能想像的任何樂器來開始一首歌。我從不同的音符持續時間,不同的節奏,海,海鷗,風,教堂的鐘聲,飛機升空,發動機啟動,森林,錘子等效果開始。我可以在Cm 4/4中開始說,然後在第三個小節上將簽名更改為7/4轉到C,並在第10個小節中以15/8的時間簽名以F#結束,如果需要的話,以降低的速度結束。我可以隨時更改貝司或吉他的線條,但是我想要。我知道規則,但是要遵守這些規則,我所認識的任何一支偉大的音樂樂隊都做了他們想要的任何事情,並且在大多數情況下都能奏效。您總是可以開始新的。請聽,是的,彼得·加布里埃爾,菲爾·柯林斯,女王,平克·弗洛伊德,可怕的海峽和深紫色,看看他們如何演奏音樂。

盡量不要害怕編曲奇怪的旋律或節奏,不要不要認為如果您認為這很糟糕,那麼其他所有人也都會-不,可能您是唯一不喜歡它的人。

嘗試全新的和弦進行並製作一首歌。嘗試Gm C Dm / Bb A F Fm Ab,然後返回Gm。嘗試演奏C Csus2,Csus4-4小節長。

我有一個樂曲,我會在左手用鋼琴的低音在D上彈奏D,以Dm的100拍速演奏近16個小節,然後在我右手的D上彈奏A,C,F然後轉到G,B,D。所有這些都是延遲和合唱的!

我經常在鍵盤上做一些奇怪的事情。一天,當我在樂隊中演奏C7 + 9和弦時,我隻手掌放下,就在鋼琴的三度八度音階中敲了一個樂團,這聽起來真是太棒了,我們決定不去了。有一天,我記得我們前一支樂隊的鼓手在酒吧成立後八分之一就踢了低音鼓,那真是太有趣了。有時候,簡單的事情就構成了整個問題。

另一種可嘗試的好方法是關掉頭和手,閉上眼睛,閉上耳朵,然後播放並記錄所有播放的內容。這樣一來,您就不知道所得到的結果了……這可能很有趣,因為您最終會得到一些不自然的混亂和惡魔般的東西,或一些絕對無法想像的瘋狂的東西。

Laurence Payne
2017-10-13 20:23:21 UTC
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放下吉他開始。如果需要,請使用鋼琴,嘗試從旋律或節奏開始,而不是從和弦開始。接下來,寫一條適合的低音線。也許是另一支樂器的反旋律。不用擔心和弦的順序。也許根本不用擔心。並非每首歌曲都必須包含節奏吉他。

還要編寫很多歌曲。每天一次。每天完成一次。它將不是完美的,但是請把它包裹起來並寫出一張鉛頁/錄製一個粗略的演示-無論您採用哪種方式。當然,您可以稍後再使用並重用想法。但是習慣於在一個會話中將一首歌包裝起來。當您完成100時,一個就好了!

scott
2018-05-08 21:26:56 UTC
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我參加聚會很晚,我不確定為什麼今天會出現這種情況,但是我想我會分享一些我的創作過程。有一次,我看了一個以Billy Joel為特色的節目,他的歌曲創作過程從和弦開始,他發現了旋律和歌詞來表達音樂的意圖。自從我看到那之後,這通常就是我的創作過程。我以發現自己靈感的和弦進行開始學習吉他。然後,我嘗試通過胡說八道來找到旋律。對我來說,這是我的潛意識寫歌詞的一種方式-比讓我的過度分析的大腦寫一首主題詩要激動得多(我希望)。

現在,從您的原始帖子看來從歌詞開始我過去有過想法,首先是從歌詞寫歌。這意味著在和弦形成之前我正在唱旋律。所以所做的是...讓我在這裡插話,說每個詞曲作者都有一個喜歡的短語,鉤子或過渡詞,或者您擁有什麼。對我來說,從歌詞開始就意味著我在演唱熟悉,舒適,最受喜愛的音樂,並圍繞它形成和弦。如果我寫出每首這樣的歌曲,我幾乎都會希望這兩首歌聽起來彼此相似。

因此,我的建議是,如果您希望聽到的話:

  1. 用小號而不是大號寫(我喜歡用小號寫,和弦的數量是您的兩倍!)。
  2. 在您選擇的樂器上寫一把樂器。在尋找旋律時要專心致志,不要將其掛在詞上。
  3. 嘗試以不同的順序書寫:和弦優先,歌詞優先或旋律優先。混淆舊的模式可能會破壞到目前為止已包含您的牆壁。
  4. 當然,還請聽其他詞曲作者,看看他們在哪些地方違反了使歌曲變得有趣的規則(請參閱:披頭士樂隊和意想不到的和弦)。您可能會嘗試一種從未聽過的創意天才(如果您是甲殼蟲樂隊的粉絲,請聽《極樂世界》;如果您是搖滾樂隊的粉絲,請聽比利·喬爾;等等。)
  5. ol>

    很抱歉,已經很長時間了,但是由於沒有一種正確的方法來創作歌曲,因此我們應該全部練習進行實驗!

感謝您的輸入和補充。添加有用的信息永遠不會太晚,因為這些帖子將永遠存在,並可以在十年後顯示在Google搜索上,以幫助某人搜索同一問題的答案。我已經找到了與和弦進行匹配的歌詞,寫了幾首歌。而且您說的沒錯-這些歌曲在我看來並沒有遵循陳舊的旋律。僅供參考,您可以選擇登錄時SE上的feed如何提供內容。默認值可能首先是最新的問題,但我認為選項是“最新活動”。
Neil Meyer
2015-02-27 16:11:25 UTC
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Typical Hints or the Effective Writing of Melodies:

  • Realise that melodies are often just small rhytmical idea with slight variations or elaborations on the main theme. Choose a theme and make this theme part of the whole structure of the song. (See Ravels Bolero to see how one rhythm can be elaborated on with great effect.)
  • Know your chord progressions. This includes passing 6/4 and Cadential 6/4.
  • Secondary chord usage is often the sign of a good melody.
  • Use the seventh chords and know how they resolves.
  • Know your cadences
  • Keep the cadences that end on the tonic for the end of your melody. The tonic is unique in the way it indicates finality. You dont want that in the middle of a piece.
  • Think about the form or structure of the piece. Is this a song with 2 main verses then maybe this should be written in binary form. Do I have a modulation to a relative key? Maybe this song should be in Tertiary form then.

Hope that helps!

我不同意。這種精確的構圖模式將在人周圍築起牆。您需要有充分的自由,沒有牆,沒有規則,沒有邊界!在作曲時使用自由的好處越多,與他人的交往越少!
user36052
2017-01-22 08:09:38 UTC
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就像他們說的那樣-為不同類型的事件寫一篇。假設您主要寫“ gangsta”,然後:

  • 寫一首婚禮歌曲(或一首新嬰兒的歌曲);
  • 對日出及其描述進行描述讓你感覺到;
  • 搖籃曲

或者,如果鄉村愛情歌曲一直是你的風格:

  • 吹牛怎麼樣(la Jumpin'Jack Flash);
  • 也許是一堆性感的雙關語和雙重誘惑?
Armadillo Bill
2017-10-13 09:25:09 UTC
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我聽說對我來說很有意義的一件事是;絕對記錄您所做的一切。您永遠不知道繆斯何時出現。記錄磁帶上的時刻。聽聽吧您會發現專注於遊戲時錯過的事情。

Albrecht Hügli
2019-01-08 16:34:53 UTC
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您的個人資料:“作為演奏家和作曲家,我的主要目標是創作一些您沒想到但喜歡的東西,並且不得不一遍又一遍地聆聽,因為這是您之前從未聽說過的。 “這只是您編寫類似內容而陷入的陷阱,但另一方面,這也是聽眾喜歡您的音樂的原因。打開門,走出去:播放Bela Bartok或Stravinsky。聽以下內容:



該問答將自動從英語翻譯而來。原始內容可在stackexchange上找到,我們感謝它分發的cc by-sa 3.0許可。
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